Comments on: Advanced Pinochle http://lebor.net Words trapped in amber bouncing through my mind like a superball in a paint mixer Fri, 11 May 2012 16:49:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Chad http://lebor.net/advanced-pinochle-bidding-and-strategy/comment-page-1#comment-24726 Chad Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:15:22 +0000 http://www.lebor.net/?page_id=170#comment-24726 Justin, Definitely. You can pull points from your opponents with Queens, but if you -know- it is going to your partner, might as well do it with a King, so your partner gets the point from your hand as well. Justin,

Definitely. You can pull points from your opponents with Queens, but if you -know- it is going to your partner, might as well do it with a King, so your partner gets the point from your hand as well.

]]> By: Justin Neal http://lebor.net/advanced-pinochle-bidding-and-strategy/comment-page-1#comment-24725 Justin Neal Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:52:05 +0000 http://www.lebor.net/?page_id=170#comment-24725 You may find this interesting. It's a tactic that I frequently use, and it gets an extra pointer in my partner's trick frequently. We all know that if you know your partner is cutting, oh let's say hearts, and you know that everyone at the table has hearts, you should leat with a king. This effectively makes the person after you play a pointer, if he or she has it. If I can determine that my partner is low on hearts and will be cutting early, AND I have k's and 10's to play, before hearts has been cut, I'll play the higher 10's. Instead of my K's. This allows me to lead with a K of hearts every time I get the lead, and it forces more points into our tricks. I probably should have written an outline for explaining that, haha. I hope you all understand what I'm trying to say. Feedback? You may find this interesting. It’s a tactic that I frequently use, and it gets an extra pointer in my partner’s trick frequently.

We all know that if you know your partner is cutting, oh let’s say hearts, and you know that everyone at the table has hearts, you should leat with a king. This effectively makes the person after you play a pointer, if he or she has it.

If I can determine that my partner is low on hearts and will be cutting early, AND I have k’s and 10′s to play, before hearts has been cut, I’ll play the higher 10′s. Instead of my K’s. This allows me to lead with a K of hearts every time I get the lead, and it forces more points into our tricks.

I probably should have written an outline for explaining that, haha. I hope you all understand what I’m trying to say.

Feedback?

]]> By: Chad http://lebor.net/advanced-pinochle-bidding-and-strategy/comment-page-1#comment-24706 Chad Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:49:24 +0000 http://www.lebor.net/?page_id=170#comment-24706 Frank, The arguments made for holding a second suit and running out trump is that if you can take all the trump out of the game, your non-trump strong suit can't be trumped. That said, I typically play out my aces first anyhow, simply because I either won't have a strong non-trump suit -or- I won't have enough trump to bleed everyone else out and still keep the lead. In the variation described here, with no passing, and with two decks, it is far more common that other people will have enough trump or enough other strong cards to keep this tactic from working. So, like you, I tend to lead my aces and take as many good tricks with them as I can, saving my trump to take tricks with extra points in them alter in the hand. As you say, holding those aces can get them trumped, and then they do no good. And a queen of trump is a good follow because it forces higher value trump cards out of people's hands, and forces someone to use an ace up early to take the lead. The way we play requires a marriage in the suit to call it trump (and therefore to successfully take the bid), but like many rules, that may be different in different places. Depending on the number of cards dealt to players (especially, in a 5 player game should you find a way to do it), that may be harder to acheive, and may not be worth keeping the rule. Frank,
The arguments made for holding a second suit and running out trump is that if you can take all the trump out of the game, your non-trump strong suit can’t be trumped. That said, I typically play out my aces first anyhow, simply because I either won’t have a strong non-trump suit -or- I won’t have enough trump to bleed everyone else out and still keep the lead. In the variation described here, with no passing, and with two decks, it is far more common that other people will have enough trump or enough other strong cards to keep this tactic from working.
So, like you, I tend to lead my aces and take as many good tricks with them as I can, saving my trump to take tricks with extra points in them alter in the hand. As you say, holding those aces can get them trumped, and then they do no good. And a queen of trump is a good follow because it forces higher value trump cards out of people’s hands, and forces someone to use an ace up early to take the lead.
The way we play requires a marriage in the suit to call it trump (and therefore to successfully take the bid), but like many rules, that may be different in different places. Depending on the number of cards dealt to players (especially, in a 5 player game should you find a way to do it), that may be harder to acheive, and may not be worth keeping the rule.

]]> By: Frank Wiener http://lebor.net/advanced-pinochle-bidding-and-strategy/comment-page-1#comment-24702 Frank Wiener Wed, 14 Mar 2012 02:15:17 +0000 http://www.lebor.net/?page_id=170#comment-24702 I have been playing pinochle for some time but am no expert. Am trying to improve my game. If I take the bid and play first, I usually play all my aces first, except for trump. I then lead with a Queen of trump to get the ace out. I have found that if you hold on to aces, especially in a long suit, they will generally be trumped. The variant here is if you want to use a back-up suit if you can get all he trump out. I am trying to organize a pinochle group for our fraternity organization, but there be an uneven number of players. I am trying to establish rules for 3 or 5 players, but don't see anything about having a marriage in order to take the bid. What is your thought about playing aces first? I have been playing pinochle for some time but am no expert. Am trying to improve my game. If I take the bid and play first, I usually play all my aces first, except for trump. I then lead with a Queen of trump to get the ace out. I have found that if you hold on to aces, especially in a long suit, they will generally be trumped. The variant here is if you want to use a back-up suit if you can get all he trump out. I am trying to organize a pinochle group for our fraternity organization, but there be an uneven number of players. I am trying to establish rules for 3 or 5 players, but don’t see anything about having a marriage in order to take the bid. What is your thought about playing aces first?

]]> By: Chad http://lebor.net/advanced-pinochle-bidding-and-strategy/comment-page-1#comment-24691 Chad Tue, 06 Mar 2012 15:37:51 +0000 http://www.lebor.net/?page_id=170#comment-24691 Could be. Different regions and different groups evolve different forms of acceptable communication. None of these are in the standard rules, and all of them would be considered cheating to some group or another. Every one of these conventions requires every one at the table to be aware of them and agree to them, so that everyone knows what is being communicated when you bid. Otherwise it is definitely cheating. Could be. Different regions and different groups evolve different forms of acceptable communication. None of these are in the standard rules, and all of them would be considered cheating to some group or another. Every one of these conventions requires every one at the table to be aware of them and agree to them, so that everyone knows what is being communicated when you bid. Otherwise it is definitely cheating.

]]> By: Chad http://lebor.net/advanced-pinochle-bidding-and-strategy/comment-page-1#comment-24690 Chad Tue, 06 Mar 2012 15:35:05 +0000 http://www.lebor.net/?page_id=170#comment-24690 Oh, if you are lucky enough to have all four aces of trump (a rarity under the variant described here), it's a great trick to pass with a jack. Even if the person to the left plays a ten hoping to force out an ace from your partner early, it's worth doing because it tells everyone where the aces are, and forces them to play more conservatively. When you are the one who has called trump it is often a good idea to pass with a low trump card, to take more trump off the table overall. Oh, if you are lucky enough to have all four aces of trump (a rarity under the variant described here), it’s a great trick to pass with a jack. Even if the person to the left plays a ten hoping to force out an ace from your partner early, it’s worth doing because it tells everyone where the aces are, and forces them to play more conservatively.

When you are the one who has called trump it is often a good idea to pass with a low trump card, to take more trump off the table overall.

]]> By: Chad http://lebor.net/advanced-pinochle-bidding-and-strategy/comment-page-1#comment-24689 Chad Tue, 06 Mar 2012 15:31:37 +0000 http://www.lebor.net/?page_id=170#comment-24689 There are lots of pinochle variants out there. In this one, with two decks, and without passing any cards, everyone ends up with a few cards in every suit. And with the requirement to follow suit, leading an ace of trump early isn't going to get you much information, and gives the other team an opportunity to throw noncounters. Better to keep the ace to win a trick with points, and/or to take the lead when you don't have it. I do agree that paying attention to meld can help you decide what other suits to bleed out from your opponents. There are lots of pinochle variants out there. In this one, with two decks, and without passing any cards, everyone ends up with a few cards in every suit. And with the requirement to follow suit, leading an ace of trump early isn’t going to get you much information, and gives the other team an opportunity to throw noncounters. Better to keep the ace to win a trick with points, and/or to take the lead when you don’t have it. I do agree that paying attention to meld can help you decide what other suits to bleed out from your opponents.

]]> By: tyson http://lebor.net/advanced-pinochle-bidding-and-strategy/comment-page-1#comment-24683 tyson Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:50:51 +0000 http://www.lebor.net/?page_id=170#comment-24683 tbauer1979@gmail.com this one is correct tbauer1979@gmail.com this one is correct

]]> By: tyson http://lebor.net/advanced-pinochle-bidding-and-strategy/comment-page-1#comment-24682 tyson Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:50:10 +0000 http://www.lebor.net/?page_id=170#comment-24682 bullshit bids like this are cheating in my book and if we were in prison, this wouldearn you a black eye. example (after opponents freezes teh bid at 60+) 0pts = knock 10pts = pass 20pts = i pass 30 pts=i will pass = CHEATING bullshit bids like this are cheating in my book and if we were in prison, this wouldearn you a black eye.

example (after opponents freezes teh bid at 60+)
0pts = knock
10pts = pass
20pts = i pass
30 pts=i will pass

= CHEATING

]]> By: tyson http://lebor.net/advanced-pinochle-bidding-and-strategy/comment-page-1#comment-24681 tyson Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:13:01 +0000 http://www.lebor.net/?page_id=170#comment-24681 I like a lot of your comments. Perhaps we should play some time. Here is a trick pass If you have all four aces in trump, pass With a jack. Chances are the player to your left will play A queen. And any good partner will surely throw a ten. It works 60-70% of the time BEST trick ever If you take the bid and show aces and have 2 or 3 ACES in your back up suit, play one. This makes the other team not suspect that this is your back up. Make sure to pass in trump! TRBAUER1979@GMAIL.COM yahoo name beeagrressive I like a lot of your comments. Perhaps we should play some time.

Here is a trick pass
If you have all four aces in trump, pass With a jack. Chances are the player to your left will play A queen. And any good partner will surely throw a ten.

It works 60-70% of the time

BEST trick ever
If you take the bid and show aces and have 2 or 3 ACES in your back up suit, play one. This makes the other team not suspect that this is your back up. Make sure to pass in trump!

TRBAUER1979@GMAIL.COM yahoo name beeagrressive

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